So this is one of the two versions of Black Flag that’s currently doing the rounds – This is the Keith Morris (Circle Jerks / Off!) version
Enjoy!
See also:
Rare Black Flag Tracks – unreleased
Henry Rollins Interview from 1985
So this is one of the two versions of Black Flag that’s currently doing the rounds – This is the Keith Morris (Circle Jerks / Off!) version
Enjoy!
See also:
Rare Black Flag Tracks – unreleased
Henry Rollins Interview from 1985
Its no secret that I come from the city of Perth in Western Australia. We have the status of being the most isolated capital city in the world, with it being quicker to fly to Asia then it is to get to Sydney or Melbourne. When I was growing up (late 70s early 80s) music wise we were known as “cover band city” as in general if you wanted to see songs from the Top 40 charts played live you had 100 times more chance seeing a cover band perform them as opposed to the originators.
Even back in the first wave of the worldwide Kiss craze they were considering NOT coming to Perth as the price of getting all their gear there against what they would stand to make would not make it worth their while. Eventually they did come and I think they did 2-3 shows which turned out to be a huge success for them but you get my point we were THAT far from the rest of the world!
In Deborah Harry of Blondies book “Making Tracks” she described Perth as the last Bastion of the Christian Empire and this was back in the late 70′s LOL! well, I don’t know about that but musically we have made some significant contributions from Bon Scott of AC/DC doing early shows in Perth (and he is also buried here), to the earliest incarnation of INXS (the Farris brothers) doing their first shows (about 1 mile from where I grew up) to the Indie Darlings (The Triffids) being based here – before moving to London. Also on the acting Side both Heath Ledger and Sam Worthington started out in Perth (although I do think Sam was born in England)
Anyways despite Perth’s sunny climate and world class beaches, we have had a great punk scene since 1976 (and skinhead scene since the late 60s) The Cheap Nasties (I swear I have also seen them listed as the Cheap and Nasties) were probably the first official Perth punk band playing out as early as 1976 (inspired by The NY dolls and the Stooges more than say The Sex Pistols, Ramones and the Saints) also of note were The Victims who’s founding members later went on to form one of the most famous Aussie Rock bands the Hoodoo Gurus Quite why Perth had such a great underground music scene I am really not sure, perhaps, because we were so isolated from the rest of the world.
Growing up we did have 2 amazing Indie Record stores Dadas and 78s both which were very much tapped into the punk scene world wide – in fact Dadas knew me so well if they got records that they knew I would like they would stash them under the counter for me until I came in.
Check out the Victims “Perth is a culture shock” Great early punk in fact if you didn’t know any better you could say this came out of the LA hardcore scene of the early 80s that’s how ahead of the curve they were. (The Victims were best known for their song “Television Addict” fantastically covered by Swedish Rockers The Hellacopters here.
The Victims – Perth Is A Culture Shock
For more on the early Perth punk scene take a few hours out of your day and read “The Geeks homepage” extensive history of all the key Perth punk bands.
One thing I didn’t cover about being an artist from Perth is the “Curse of Perth”, now whether this is because having an artistic temperament and being from such an isolated place does some one’s head in or just a coincidence – who’s to say but think on this Bon Scott, Michael Hutchence, The Singer from the Triffids and heath Ledge all met early deaths – weird huh . Also worth a mention is Melbourne born pianist David Helfgott who studied in Perth moved to London and lost the plot – they made a movie Shine based on his life story.
Perth has a better underground scene these days then when i was growing up and many Indie artist actually make it to Perth these days – whether as part of the Big Day Out or on their own From Social Distortion to Crass (who would ever think Crass would make it to Perth?)
One of the best of Punk bands to come out of Perth are the Chainsaw Hookers – check them out here:
CHAINSAW HOOKERS – MY REVENGE
See also:
Quick and the Dead – Super rare footage
In the early 80′s Punk Rock in the USA was beyond huge – so big that it was the subject of many nightly news programs, chat shows like Phil Donahue and even covered in main stream tv dramas like Chips and Quincy. (see below for examples) Most of the Tv drama coverage was beyond a joke with a punk band singing about “digging pain” and even stabbing other punks in the mosh pit. Rather than make kids see this as a deterent these shows only aided in turning more kids punk and going to shows and acting like jerks. So prevalent was this behavior after shows like Quincy and Chips that the older punks even labelled – douche bags like this “Quincy Punks”
Of course middle American parents were freaking out thinking the devil had possessed their children to cut their hair, dye it blue, have a mohawk or whatever and didn’t no where to turn. Some bright spark came up with the idea of “de-punking kids” and mental hospitals soon figured out that health insurance companies had some sort of mental health insurance and were very happy to convince parents that the kids could be cured and pretty soon parents were institutionalizing their kids – only to be told they were ‘cured” when their insurance ran out.
I used to write to one of Suicidal Tendencies, Mike Muir’s early girlfriends Shannon R who when she first wrote me it was with a pencil as she was locked up at the time. In fact she was the lyrical inspiration to the song “Institutionalized” and also the S.T. classics “I saw your mommy and your mommy is dead” and “I won’t fall in love today” It was actually her on the phone with Mike at the time when her parents decided to get her locked up. I can’t remember but I am pretty sure the infamous line “All I wanted was a Pepsi, Just one pepsi” was hers.
To this day I have friends who were locked up back in the day who are still shaken by their experiences – it was a crazy time thats for sure.
If you or anyone you know was locked up for being a punk at the time leave us a comment below! Thanks
Suicidal Tendencies – “Institutionalized”
Suicidal Tendencies – “I Saw Your Mommy” (Live – 1984)
From the Episode of C.H.i.P.s the band pain playing I dig pain”
Quincy Punk Episode
Teen Talk: Punk Rock early 80′s Local Los Angeles show Part 1
See also:
American Oi! – Traditional Skinheads [ Fox 11 News Undercover Special]
Phil Donahue Punk Show 1984 Part 1
1983 Punk Rock Series On KTTV Channel 11
I used to love the Amebix when I was a kid – their first 2 7″ records really pushed the boundary sonically like no one else in the punk scene at the time.
I missed getting this dvd when it came out – thank god some one posted the entire thing on Youtube
Check it out here:
From the beginning, LA punk band the Circle Jerks were rooted in controversy. Formed by-ex members of Black Flag and Red Cross (now Redd Kross) in late 1979, the band came to encapsulate the image, sound and energy of California Hardcore Punk. [The film] mixes in-depth interviews, rare live footage and historical perspective to illustrate the story of one of the most influential bands in the American underground. [It] follows the band from their early days and classic debut to navigating the independent label and touring scene of the 80s to the addictions, fights and injuries that forced their break up. Of course the story doesn’t quite end there.
This documentary of the early and infamous punk club the Cuckoo’s Nest was never released. Copyright 1981 Abscond Productions? Hard to tell. Awesome documentary. Much of the original footage is being used for the documentary “We Were Feared”.
Featuring Social Distortion, The Vandals, Sin 34, Black Flag, RF7, MDC, Descendents, DI, TSOL, Circle Jerks, Husker Du and Youth Brigade.
“Salad Days:The Washington DC Punk Revolution” Documentary
Coming in 2013!
https://www.facebook.com/saladdaysdoc
The documentary is set to feature Ian and Alec MacKaye, Dave Grohl, Henry Rollins, and more.
Plans are afoot to release a documentary focussing on Washington DC’s 1980s punk scene. ‘Salad Days: The HarDCore Punk Revolution’ is currently being pulled together by writer/director Scott Crawford, a man who first began putting out fanzines at the tender age of just 12 years old, according to Pitchfork. The film will see Crawford interview many of the same personalities he spoke with as a wide-eyed fan 30 years on.
The documentary is set to feature Ian and Alec MacKaye, Dave Grohl, Henry Rollins, and more, with the official Facebook page stating: “‘Salad Days: The HarDCore Punk Revolution’ will be the most comprehensive, honest and insightful look at the DC punk scene from the early 1980s to the decade’s end. The film will include exclusive archival photographs, concert footage and interviews with dozens of bands, artists, label owners, zine publishers and others who helped mold and nurture DC’s underground community during this inspired decade of music.”
I have been a huge Channel 3 fan ever since I heard their song “I’ve got a gun” back in the early 80s in my book they have the perfect balance of melody and aggression. I wanted to catch up with Mike and update everyone on what they have been up to recently.
Thanks to Mike for the great Interview!
So it’s been 32 years now – most bands do not last 5 years – what’s the secret of you and Kimm staying together for so long?
I guess because we’re friends first and finally! Even when the band wasn’t touring in the 90’s, we’d still talk every day and hang out the weekends. Same thing with our crew now, Alfie on drums and Anthony on bass—those guys have been in CH3 longer than any other lineup, so we’re just a tight family. Makes a real difference on going through the rough or boring times, ya know? You could probably put up with any asshole if you were pulling down 10 grand a night, but to tough it out in the clubs for drink tickets and gas money, ya gotta know your mates.
You guys got your start playing House parties in So-Cal in 1980 back then what were the loftiest goals you had for the band? When did you reach them?
The first house party probably was the first and biggest goal; don’t know if we’ve ever achieved anything as exciting since! As with any band, you just try to move forward and set another goal ahead of you: Write your own song, make a demo, make a record, do some touring. We’ve been pretty fortunate to do these things pretty early and ever since.
I grew up in Australia and due to Skateboarder magazine I was lucky enough to be exposed to Southern Californian punk rock from the get go – but many people really did not hear of you guys until the punk and disorderly comps which were primarily British based bands – apart from being completely awesome how did you guys manage to get on to those compilations?
That was all Robbie Fields, Posh Boy. He’s always had pretty lofty visions for his bands, and these cross-licensing type deals, like with No Future or SST, just helped to spread the word. It was funny, we didn’t really know about the No Future release until we saw some LPs with the different artwork, then we were suddenly getting nice reviews and letters from the UK. Funny, even now a lot of people still think we’re an English band.
One of the things I always loved about you guys is that you had the energy and aggression but were also very melodic – was that intentional or just the way you guys wrote music/songs?
That all comes from the stuff Kimm and I always listened to—heavy metal, power pop, anything really. I’ve always loved the aggression and speed of hardcore, but the straight shouting gets pretty old pretty quick unless you really know how to deliver, ya know? We always thought to put a little more melody, actually see how much of the sweet stuff we could get away with before the punks started hating us!! Also, the PoshBoy production style seemed to really work with our writing style so there ya go!
Another thing I loved about you guys were the clever lyrics – from songs like “You make me feel cheap” where it’s a role reversal and the girl is using the guy to “Manzanar” about the Japanese Internment camps – again was the a conscious decision to take a new spin of punk rock clichés or did it just come naturally?
I just wrote what interested me that day, but I was an English Major as a pretentious youth, so I’m sure I had to try and be extra clever and wordy for the folks! I laugh at a lot of those inflated lyrics now. But that was a beauty about Punk—you could make the lyrics serious, political, comedy, horror, it all worked under the flag.
Following on from the question above – was it your grandparents or one of your parents who were interned and did you get much feedback from people on that song (most punk bands I know only ever touched upon the European internment camps lyric wise)
My Mother, who was actually born here in LA was sent to a camp with her 2 brothers and my grandparents. They weren’t sent to Manzanar, though. Worse, it was to a camp down in Louisiana of all places! Just seemed like a subject that was glossed over in school back in those days, and I was pretty outraged at the thought of my Mom, as a teenager, being forced from home.
What do you miss the most from the early 80s Punk scene?
I guess really the unpredictability of it all! Back then, you never knew if it was gonna be a shutdown, a riot, if the promoter was gonna pull a gun on you or if you might get laid! Nowadays, you have the agent collect half up front, there’s your backstage rider for RedBulls and towels, gotta set up merch, etc….It’s good, though, to be able to play and get paid, everything nice and organized. But back when the gigs were like a traveling Gypsy camp, it really made for some tight bonds and friendships.
I just stepped into a Payless shoe store yesterday – half the shoes were based on skate styles and they had some in-house brand that had the punk rock ransom note style writing as their logo – it seems to me that while 30 years ago we were the outsiders of society and that anyone with spiked hair or a shaven head was a pariah and everyone wanted to fight us now it seems that that is the mainstream – did you ever foresee Punk Rock getting so accepted into Society?
I would’ve never thought it would happen, and truthfully, I was probably of the thought that punk was pretty much dead when it hit the 90’s. The music is what survived though, and all the people that had that music in their heads, those people now are designing shoes and making car advertisements—and they know just the right song from their youth to sell this thing! It’s a great thing, that something that was first seen as so dangerous and destructive is really such a positive force in so many people’s live. It’s easy to be cynical about how punk has lost its meaning and is too accessible now, but it really comes down to the music, and long may it live!
Like I said above I loved “I’ve got a gun’ the second I heard it – when I heard Fear of Life I immediately heard it – but I have to say when I got “After the lights go out” it took me some serious time to “get into the record” do you think your playing style changed then simply cuz you guys got better at song writing and playing or was there another reason?
It took me a while to get into that record as well! I think the sound and vibe of that record is different—very distant and cold stuff on first listen, pretty dark lyrics too. But yeah, we were trying to expand the sound, not just us but Robbie and Jay Lansford on the production side. We have the backup singers, saxophone, and marimbas in there too! I guess like they say, you have forever to write the first record, 12 months to write the next. After the Lights…was pretty much written in one chunk of time, for better or worse, so it came out some sort of strange concept record. Some good songs on there, though we pushed a lot of the tempos I think…I’ll have to give it another chance!
Somewhere in the mid 80s you guys kind of went “hair metal” as did many bands at the time – was that an attempt to chase the “Guns and Roses” market? From memory didn’t you guys score some high profile tours at the time? IF so what was your most rock n roll moment?
Yeah, we went the old cliché’ big hair route a lot of the other bands went through then. A big difference, we had a blast during those times and aren’t really ashamed of that fact! Back then hardcore just seemed to hit a brick wall went it came to the gigs, touring, and the crowd. It was just natural to expand a little, especially now that we’d been holding these goddamn guitars in our hands for a few years and finally knew how to play them a bit! We did have some pretty high powered management, and did some gigs and touring with X, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Jane’s Addiction, etc. There was a night backstage at the Palladium in Hollywood, when we opened for Midnight Oil, and I’m standing between Peter Garrett and Lee Majors, the Six Million Dollar Man!
To me the CH3 record was a return to form – what was the inspiration for coming back as you guys did?
Well, we never really stopped getting together and practicing, writing a song here and there. So when the great Old School Punk resurgence of 2000 came around, it was natural to get back in the studio. We really knew that we wanted to come back to the style of songwriting that got us attention in the first place, let the guitars blast and sing a melody on top. We got a lot of nice feedback from that record, a relief as you really don’t know if people really want to hear from you again.
Do you think that the re-issuing of all the old 7”s and Lps on cd had anything to do with a renewed interest in both Channel 3 and early 80s punk rock with the record buying public?
Well, the cd reissues definitely kept the flame alive, especially at a time when a lot of the punks of my generation (the ones who hadn’t od’d or gone to prison anyway) were growing up. But I always thought it was the Internet that really fueled the great surge we had here in So Ca. It was a way to get the community back together, make the music really accessible.
Any plans for a new record and when are we going to see you guys on the East Coast again? Last time I saw you guys live was at CBGBS with MDC.
Actually, we have a 6 song ep in the can, just figuring out what to do with it! We’re thinking of just doing a short run of vinyl and downloads. And to celebrate 30 years since our first tour, we’re taking off in May to hit those same stops through Texas out to New Orleans. We always have the East Coast in mind; we’ll surely get back there before the year is up.
Where can fans buy your music and merchandise?
Just hit up the site http://www.chthree.com/ for all things CH3, be sure to check in on our regular blog @ http://ch3guest.wordpress.com/ to see what we’re up to as well—
Cheers-MikeM
Don’t know much about these guys but this is a pretty cool tune:
For those that thinks these guys are Nazi punks, this is from their myspace: “We are an anti-racist band, so please keep that in mind